Hello everyone, welcome to Bigjoe’s channel. Today’s topic is should Chinese MBA graduates stay in the U.S. or return to China? This can be regarded as a commonplace. Since 2010, I have been the moderator of the U.S. MBA application section in CHASEDREAM.com, which is the biggest Chinese internet forum for MBA application. It’s been almost ten years now. During the process, I talked to many MBA graduates about this topic, so today I am making this video to talk about this thing. This topic is not only helpful for MBA graduates, but it might also be helpful for other majors. As long as you are studying abroad in the U.S., you will encounter this problem. You will need to choose between whether to go back to China or to stay in the U.S.. Today, let’s talk about my point of view. At the end of this video, we also have another Q&A session. Stay until the end and don’t miss it. Ok. Is it better to say in the U.S. or return to China after MBA? As an MBA graduate, we have a perfect answer for this question? What is it? ta-dah It’s that it depends! Isn’t this answer very good? Let’s talk about these two options in general. If you are only considering personal development, in most cases, it is better to return to China. Because China’s economy is developing rapidly. Comparing to a developed country like the U.S., there are much more opportunities in China. Besides, you have been educated in the U.S.. After going back to China, you will bring distinct sets of skills and experiences different from those of the local. In fact, the rapid economic development will enable you to have a good career development back in China. Evidence has shown that this is true. I noticed that those who graduated at around my time are doing very well after returning to China. They either already have a small success in their startups or already become directors and VPs of a company. Many people like this are doing really, really well. Regarding this, I think that returning to China really has a lot of benefits. However, staying in the U.S. will have some challenges. Especially because you are a foreigner after all. You have no foundation in the U.S., and you don’t have enough networks. Compared with the locals, you more or less have some lack of understanding of the culture, language, and all other aspects. From the beginning, there is already a kind of disadvantage here. Also, the economy of the U.S. is not developing as rapidly as China’s. So relatively speaking, from the standpoint of career development, I think going back to China is good. However, I need to say something here. This thing depends on whether you are suitable or not. Some people are suitable for the kind of environment in China. He/she feels being down to earth is very exciting. He/she is very adapted. Some other people prefer America’s environment where there is a robust regulation system. Some people are suitable for such a culture, other people do not. Of course it depends on which culture you are suitable for. In most cases, there are many opportunities in China. But for each individual, it depends on whether you are suitable for the U.S.’s environment or China’s environment. And this depends on your personality, culture, and all other aspects. As I just said, if you only consider career development, for most people in most cases, it is better to return to China. However, when many people do decisions, they are not just planning for their careers. He/she is taking many other things into consideration. Many of these are personal preferences and choices. For example, many people think that there are longer working hours in China. Many internet companies are doing “996” (9 a.m. to 9 p.m. plus 6 days/week) This, to yourself, is very tiring. Another thing is that you contribute a lot of time to the company. so you don’t have enough time for yourself. Even though the job is good and the paycheck is fat, there is less spare time. If you think time is important, you would feel like, it might be better in the U.S. Then you will have more personal time to do your own thing, right? Besides, there are some people who really likes America’s living environment and America’s culture. And relatively speaking, they are not fond of some behaviors or practices in China. Because of this, they may choose to stay in the U.S.. There are also some people, for example, who have children. They are considering their children’s future education, and they like America’s education more. So they are willing to stay in the U.S.. There are people like this. Therefore, when people are making decisions, the choice they are deciding on is comprehensive. By a holistic approach, they decide whether they should stay in the U.S., or return to China. It is not just for the career development. Take me as an example, the reason why I stayed in the U.S. is, I have to admit, I really love the life in the United States. I feel like living in the U.S. is quite comfortable, so I think I am pretty happy so far. Of course, when I made this choice at the time, I clearly knew that I am losing some career development opportunities in China. Maybe I would have better opportunities if I went back to China, or such. However, since I made this choice, I knew what were the advantages and disadvantages of this decision, so I made a choice where every aspect of it was acceptable for me. What I just talked about is the situation when you just graduate. What if you have graduated for a while? You may say, what is my long term goal? For example, some graduates may choose to gather some experience in the U.S. first. For example, they may work in the U.S. for a year and then return to China. This is absolutely doable. Because after this, you may even say I have a lot of work experience in the U.S.. In this case, you will have many useful experiences and skills when returning to China. What tactics are these guys using? If you want to return to China, do it early. You can whether return to China after a year of work or immediately after graduation. If you work for some time and then go back, it might have some surprising advantages. Because you can occupy some good spots first. This may be a good thing. Some people would stay in the U.S. for a longer time because they may want a permanent residency. For example, they may get a green card and then go back to China. They feel that they have a retreat path. This is also possible. Some other people, they want to stay in the United States for a long time. They are ready to get a green card and live here for a long time. They are willing to do this. This is also a very good choice. In the long run, there will also be choices about when to return to China. So if you want to return to China, there is actually many opportunities. You can do it right after graduation. You can return to China after working here for a while. And you can also return to China after you get the green card. Or you may just not return to China at all. This is your choice. In my opinion, if you have thought it through that I want to return to China for my career development, then do it. If you hate to leave the America’s life, they stay in the U.S. like I did. That’s fine. As long as you are sure, it is all fine. But, what if you are not sure? My advice is to give yourself some opportunities to experience both sides. For example, before you study MBA here, you only study and working experience in China. You may work in the U.S. for a while, live here for a while, and then see which one you like more. And then decide whether or not to return to China. If you got your undergraduate degree in the U.S., then work in the U.S. after graduation, and then studied MBA in the U.S.. You never worked in China. Then I strongly recommend you to go back to China and experience it. First, you should experience the opportunities in China. You may find out that the opportunities in China are super, super good. Then you must take advantage of them. Or you may find out that some of fantasies about China is not right. Because there are some people only studied in the U.S., only worked in the U.S., and had unrealistic fantasies about the situations in China. They can only see the good side of it, but not the challenging side. Maybe after they return to China, they find out that it is not suitable for them. This is fine. Even if this happens, you have worked in the U.S., so you have H1B visa. It is not difficult to come back to the U.S.. So all in all, if you only have worked in China, try it out in the U.S.. If you only have worked in the U.S., try it out in China. Give yourself a choice, give yourself an experience, and then make a choice again. What is the most important thing in life? That is, never regret! Don’t you say that “if I have chosen to stay in the U.S.” or what, or “oh, if I have chosen to return to China, it would have been so nice.” Don’t have thoughts like this Go try them out. There are actually many, many opportunities for you to come and go. So don’t leave regrets for yourself. If you haven’t experienced it, experience it and then make the comparison, and make the choice. And this brings up the question about how to keep your options open No matter whether you apply from China or apply in the U.S., if you want to give yourself more choices, you have to consider the issue about your Visa status. U.S. usually only gives one year of OPT for MBA graduates. So if possible, try to try some programs related to STEM. For example, I know in the Wharton School of Upenn, there is a BA path. If you are on this path, you may have a STEM status. If you are in Northwestern University’s Kellogg School of Business, there is a program called Triple-M. It is a dual degree program with the school of engineering. It is also STEM. Relatively speaking, the three years of OPT from STEM will give you more opportunities to give yourself more choices about staying in the U.S. or returning to China. Other schools also have some good programs. Like programs in USC, Arizona State University, and University of Rochester. They all have the STEM option. You may try these kinds of programs. at least give yourself more choices, more room for choice. Finally, what I just talked about is situations for most people, for most people, whether stay in the U.S. or return to China is a very difficult decision. Once you made the choice, reversing it would be not so easy. If you return to China immediately after MBA graduation, you may have a hard time returning to the U.S., even if you want to come back. Because of your visa status. Maybe you don’t have H1B or etc. However, you have to ask yourself, are you a top talent? Are you a very outstanding person in the scope of this world? Because I saw many examples. What are those examples? It is there are no national boundaries for competent and outstanding people. I have met people like this. I think they are super amazing. I will give y’all two examples. One is my high school classmate. He studied MBA at London Business School, and then worked in the U.K. for a while. Later on, he worked in Shanghai for a while. He is doing financial investment. He is hired by a Dubai investing company. There is no national boundaries for this guy. As long as the company wants you, there are opportunities for you around the world. Another person I know is from UCLA. This person is the most dramatic person I have met. How dramatic is he? After graduating from UCLA, he received good offers from China, but he refused them. He stayed in the U.S. and did a PM job. Within a year of this job, he quit the job without asking for H1B. Then he went back to China. His previous offer was not there anymore, so he has to find another job. He did pretty well. He advanced to a high rank and became very experienced. Recently, because of family reasons, he wanted to come back to the U.S.. Then the company transferred him back to the U.S.. As you see, he is dramatic. But this person is really capable. Because of his competence, he can wandering around China and the United States, constantly looking for an opportunity he wants. So if you are really outstanding and capable, if you are a top-notch talent in the world, granted I don’t know how to assess it. You just have to see by yourself, if you think you are really capable, Then you don’t have to worry about being restrained by national boundaries or Visa. Opportunities will exist. National boundaries cannot restrain a world-class talent. Ok, now let’s head to Q & A time. This video we are answering one question: I know that Google’s APM is for PM without any experiences. Does this also include non new grad? I have been a interaction designer for two years (currently at Morgan Stanley, previously at eBay). I want to transfer to PM now. I had experience as an product manager intern. Am I qualified for Google’s APM? First of all, Google’s APM accepts people with a little work experience. Maybe one year, up to two years. Therefore, with regard to your conditions, you can apply. But there is one thing, Google’s APM is a bit technical, so it might prefer people with some technical background. For example, if you have an undergraduate degree of computer science, engineering, and etc., it might be better. If you have a pure designing background, this program may not be completely suitable for you. Of course you can take a look at other programs for graduates. If they require 1 to 2 years of work experience, you can try them out. Of course, usually if you have some work experience, internal transfer is completely possible. But I don’t know about Morgan Stanley, but eBay has such an opportunity to find the right position inside the company, so you can transfer from one position to another position, as long as you can do your job well. This is my answer for your question. Ok, if you have some related questions, feel free to comment below in the comment section. And I will also pick some comments, make a video about them, or put my answers in my contents. If you like this video, please click the Like button, please remember to Subscribe and share to your friends who might need it. Ok. This is today’s video! I will see you next time. Bye Bye.